WiP Unk. Ship

[Mox]

First netto renders of the Terran Walhalla (M0) class.
Needs tons of work, mainly to the aft and some greeble like radars, docks, antenna\'s.
The rear will get a much better flightdeck (for the shot I just slabbed a block on to show where it will go), as will the lowerfront for inner hull access.

The gap in the front will get a huge cannon of some sort or whatever works best.

Despite the pretty steep level of detail, poly\'s on this baby are less then on the levi.
The total mesh runs at 130K.
Sadly this does not go for the turrets..with a whopping 12.5K each these will have to be tuned down
in detail slightly.


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[Mokonzi]

That\'s got some nice touches to it Mox, very nice. Great concept, but it looks vaguely familiar. Where did you get the inspiration for it from?

PS Do you mean Valhalla? That\'s the spelling in English (unless there are some variations to it).

[Jonus]

yes, valhalla should be the exact spelling (the original should be Valhöll)

what about Ragnarok as name?

[Mox]

hihi, vaguely familiar you say? ;D
Its a joke...I always wanted to do a Re-Genesis ;)

[al_main]

lol

I thought it looked abit like Genesis!

But much, much better.... ;)

[Mox]

Thanks AL, we can use this ship as our own \'Lost Earthship\' from the ancients.
I don\'t think It\'s got enough Terran looks since Terrans seem to have a thing for more compact/armored
designs...basically the bridge qualifies as Terran, the rest is more hybrid stuff.

Anyway, whatever we do with it, I\'m sure it will find a appriciated spot in the crowd.

[Stevio]

Very nice,

i agree it isn\'t that terran-looking atm, but i am sure you\'ll do a good job O0

[Mokonzi]

How about it being the old M0 of the earth fleet? Or perhaps a Sohnen M0? The former option would have the benefit that it can be placed in game without much issue.

[Stevio]

yeah both ideas sound great, O0

imo it would need a Old Beat\'n-up texture if we make it the former ;)

[Jonus]

maybe the sonhen one, good id

i think that a terran m0 should be larger than higher, maybe like the odin

btw is a nice ship, for \"genesis\" what do you mean? (maybe it\'s something that in italy i never saw)

[Stevio]

for \"genesis\" what do you mean? (maybe it\'s something that in italy i never saw)


as in the Exo-puss Mod\'s Genesis

[Jonus]

for \"genesis\" what do you mean? (maybe it\'s something that in italy i never saw)


as in the Exo-puss Mod\'s Genesis


-.-

and i believed it was a film ;D

[Mox]

The problem with current Terran designs is their somewhat limited.
With the Tyr and Aegir all spliced apart from the Odin, that mesh has had its purpose well served.
Doing any more based on these will make the Terrans TOO uniform if anything.

Considering present day orders of battle, a Frigate and a Destroyer can be taken as cousins in look-alike formatting...a Battleship (apart from the fact that none are made anymore) is HUGELY different.
Wider hulks, bigger, heavily armored, huge guns, all kinds of kit on it from several midlife crisis overhauls,
In all they present a much more greebled surface.

Look at the the New Jersey\'s, the Kievs (battleship carrier)...someting like that.
Combined with for example the ribbing featured on Galactica, this can make a nice addition.
Keeping truely faithfull to a race\'s look is not always a good thing.

Ive always hated the fact that almost all races M1/M2/TL could easily be justified if you\'d argue that in fact the M1 would be the M2 and the TL more of a M1...they just look way too much alike.
Only exception to this are the Teladi, at least their ships are common in looks but completely different in shape.

[Mokonzi]

I do agree with your sentiments. Let\'s keep it Terran for certain then. I\'m happy with differences. The Swordfish has some differences to typical Boron design. Good call.

[Mox]

How about a HUGE Terran/Ancients hybrid Mothership of some sort.
Autobuilding ofcourse and off the charts capabilities in hauling stuff around.
Sort of like their Giant supply train all-in-one vessel.

Btw, once properly textured, I bet you can make a simple cube look Terran so this ship is not that far fetched.
A real Terran Valhalla is in the works also.

[Jonus]

How about a HUGE Terran/Ancients hybrid Mothership of some sort.
Autobuilding ofcourse and off the charts capabilities in hauling stuff around.
Sort of like their Giant supply train all-in-one vessel.

Btw, once properly textured, I bet you can make a simple cube look Terran so this ship is not that far fetched.
A real Terran Valhalla is in the works also.


mmm well, should be another ship, not the terran main m0

anyway this would be a doomsday machine in game

[Mox]

This wont be the Terran M0..hence the real Valhalla in the making announcement ;)

[Stevio]

Good call mox O0

what shall we call the Lost Earth ship then?

[Mokonzi]

Yeah. Let is float about in an sol sector. Perhaps make it a bonus for the custom universe?

[Stevio]

how about a quick story to go with it :)

The Lost ship (Skadi? - Norse Goddess of winter and the HUNT?) , is the first Battleship to be built after the first Xenon attack when the earth gate was destroyed.

Earth took a turn for the worse governments folded, water, food and resources were running low,
secret underground millitary facilties worked together to build the biggest battleship of their time, to search the planets of the sol system for any signs of possible terraforming.

many years later upon completion of the (Skadi?) class battleship, many of Earths population of Scientists and engineers boarded the Skadi and set off on the journey to find a new home....

Planet after planet the greatest minds of Earth were disapointed to find that the early observations of planets, made by their ancestors in the past were correct...
most planets of the sol system were too un-terraformable for their current technology.

it is said that the Skadi never made it to Saturn..............


What do you think :D

[Mox]

Sounds realy good Stevio, any thoughts on working that out in a sort of submod format from start to end
so AL can get in the works with it from his end if he\'s willing to?

[Stevio]

yeah i just thought that up quite quickly, it will need coordinating with the Argonopedia, to be good,
i will take a look at the argonopedia timeline today and try and improve on the story, O0

i like the name Skadi, it seems to go well with the quick story, being a hunt for a new home. ::)


Skadi is the Goddess of Winter and of the Hunt. She is married to Njord, the gloomy Sea God, noted for his beautiful bare feet (which is how Skadi came to choose him for her mate.) Supposedly the bare foot is an ancient Norse symbol of fertility. The marriage wasn\'t too happy, though, because she really wanted Baldur for her husband. She is the goddess of Justice, Vengeance, and Righteous Anger, and is the deity who delivers the sentence upon Loki to be bound underground with a serpent dripping poison upon his face in payment for his crimes.* Skadi\'s character is represented in two of Hans Christian Anderson\'s tales:* \"The Snow Queen\" and \"The Ice Princess.\"

and as an M0 built for fighting the Xenon (if it has to) it kinda fits the Vengeance bill ::)

EDIT(antagonist): Fixed your Norse Gods quote so the thread shows up right...

[Mox]

Thats weird stuff, they choose mates according to lovelyness of feeth?
Damn, why don\'t we have that ;D

[al_main]

If you can come up with a clear outline for the mini-plot then i\'ll get it scripted! O0

Not sure what exactly?

Perhaps starting with some shady character wanting help with a basic salvage mission (think beginning of andromeda if you\'ve seen that?). I could also write an ACTUAL salvage mission so people wouldnt know they were getting it! O0

[Stevio]

i never really watched andromeda :-

i will start mapping down the KEY Terran and Argon events around this time O0

[al_main]

Ok, well just to give you some ideas:

In the first episode have a kind of rag-tag smuggling type crew, think firefly (sort of). They get hired by a shady character to go out on a salvage mission. Theres a ship from 500 years previous with advanced technology (from before wars wiped out most of civilisation). Either way they track it down, saving it from floating into a black hole (Ok, so X3 desnt have them) turns out to be fully functional and working.

Ok, on looking back its not all that relevant! ::)
(Apart from having an ancient, lost ship in the story)

My idea was could start off with a dodgy character offering some kind of salvage mission then pick up clues, or go through a chain of events, perhaps like the bonus treasure hunt but abit more involved and challenging!


EDIT: ~!@#! my cheese toastie got burnt while I was typing that :\'(

[Stevio]

here is the timeline of important events, plus some of my own made up for the story.


Key
Argonopedia Event
Made-up Event

[hr]
2046The Winterblossom starts to explore space and solar systems beyond earth gate. Aboard the ship are 12 scientists of all areas, led by the space veteran Capt. René Farnham, which is a scientist himself.
[hr]
2048The Winterblossom returns to Earth after a 2 year journey (which is 1 year longer than originally planned). They report to have found a system of dozens or hundreds of alien jumpgates but no intelligent alien lifeforms whatsoever, and no hints thereof, except the gates themselves. But there seem to be many planets that might be colonized and/or terraformed.
A discussion amongst politicians suggests a budget for a Space Force in case of unfriendly alien contact.
Also, the possibilities of terraforming is being talked through.
2145Completely unexpected, a fleet of 6 Terraformers (almost forgotten now) enters solar system and tries to terraform the inner planets including earth, mining resources and building stations, thereby starting to destroy man built structures.
[hr]
2059The first ship of the new founded international Space Force (USC, United Space Command) is stationed in Earth orbit to protect the planet from possible dangers (alien attacks are not publicly named as not to disturb the people). Nobody really believes in danger, except some paranoid military minorities.
[hr]
2146The Terraformers war devastates earth and most colonies. In the end, Nathan R. Gunne is able to lure the main part of the Terraformers fleet through the earth gate, which is being destroyed afterwards, so the Terraformers cannot return to earth, saving all Terrans on the surface from destruction.
There is almost no space flight on earth for several hundred years to come, and it is not being considered to build a jump gate again.
[hr]
2148Earth has no legal governments, communities/tribes form and follow their own laws
the Military are keeping the peace between the tribes.
[hr]
2221Terran Military take control of Europe and Australia
[hr]
2234Terran Military take FULL Control of Earth, a global government is reinstated
[hr]
2283Terran re-establish space flight, with rediscovered blueprints of an old fighter escort for the winterblossom
[hr]
2905[size=8]TF/Xenon Jumpship enters Solar System.
(Earth) John Friedman and Ayse McCallum are killed in an attempt to salvage the supposedly defective jumpship.
Earth government agrees on researching into a jumpdrive based on the remains of the Terraformer/Xenon jumpship.
[hr]
2912[size=8]Capt. Kyle Willam Brennan maroons in the X-Universe during the first manned testing of the jumpship prototype.
Major Elena Kho is sent to the X-Universe to rescue Cpt. Brennan.
The Xenon are defeated in a great Xenon war.
[hr]
2934[size=8]Government decide to recolonise the Sol systems planets
The terran begin work on the Skadi Battleship (M0)
[hr]
2942[size=8]The Skadi Battleship (M0) is near completion. the Crew and mission briefing is being prepared
[hr]
2945[size=8]The Skadi Battleship (M0) is launched, the most advanced version of the Jumpdrive is in use (Equal to that of todays specifications)
the planets are scanned and explored. Jupiters Moons look promising, they begin terraforming
[hr]
2946[size=8]Jupiters moon \"Europa\" is successfully terraformed
The Skadi Battleship (M0) comms Earth colony and reports the good news, and moves on to the next planet in the Sol
[hr]
2949[size=8]Earth has recieved no comms with The Skadi Battleship (M0) for over 3 years
a search & rescue team were never scheduled for unknown reasons


this is the base of the story i have come up with so far, please add or comment on this.

i will think up a mission story in a while i need a tea break :D

[al_main]

Comments, erm: X3 is currently in the year 2934 meaning the Skadi Battleship wont be finished for 8 years! (Might aswell take your time on that model then Mox ;))

Wasnt the plan going to be for it to be a lost ancient earth ship? If mox already has something else being prepared for the terran M0?

Perhaps better to move the terrans colonizing the solar system to the mid 2500s, eg.
2546 Missions to terraform mars began
2547 First ship lands on mars
2564 Mars terraformed and can support human life
2592 After the successful terraforming of mars The Terrans begin to look towards Jupiters moons as potential colonies. After several reconnaisance probes it is decided that due to the vast distances involved it will not be feasible to send multiple ships/missions and a large mothership class vessel will be required. Due to the still unknown potential of encountering terraformer ships, The Skadi M0 is designed and created with good defensive capabilities.
2608 Skadi Battleship completed and launched with 50,000 colonists (or more or less?)
2614 Reaches Jupiter
2657 5 of Jupiters moons terraformed and basic colonies set up. Skadi ordered onwards to Saturn\'s moons to set up further colonies and listening posts for advanced detection of returning terraformer ships.
2663 Contact with Skadi mothership lost, never reaching Saturn, whereabout of 16,000 colonists unknown....
2666 Earth has recieved no comms with The Skadi Battleship (M0) for over 3 years
a search & rescue team were never scheduled for unknown reasons

Just an alternative idea! ::)
And the bad news comes on a date with 666 in it (actually coincidental as I ended on 2663 but then added stevios last entry ::) ) I\'m scared now....

[Stevio]

Good point, i don\'t know why i set it that far in the future ???

and i like your twist to the story better O0

[Mokonzi]

Nice work guys. I think that is a fantastic idea. Question is: Are we keeping this for custom universe only, or also for main mod?

[al_main]

Not sure, but I\'d say have it in both, possibbly using specially determined sectors in Xtra universe if available or using unknowns in normal universe?

Some further ideas:

Is there anything else we can spawn that could be \"salvaged\", ie the Argon Force Field, Force Field Generator, Escapre pod Hatch? what do these look like in game?

Am thinking could spawn these with a different name \"terran fusion reactor\", \"terran nav beacon\" whatever. Original mission is to salvage some lowly but technologically advanced object or whatever and then get roped into the hunt for the Skadi through that?....

Possibly the shady salvage character finds some log entry stashed away inside it, whatever.

then can have other parts such as dodgy character wants it, but you want it for yourself, maybe have to steal it back?

maybe the terrans want it back? possible choice of giving it to them or fighting afew terran ships?

ghost ship type events, \"there it is on scanner over there\" (player aim switcehs to it and it appears on the map) then when get there its gone again. Ships Computer \"target lost\", shady character \"where\'d it go?\", etc...

[Mokonzi]

Force field generator is that ball thing you destroy in the plot. Escape pod hatch is like a big dustbin lid. Could be used I guess. Will try spawning them and see what happens. (Or you can buy them in that SY you did for me al ;D )

[al_main]

lol

Glad its got some use atleast! O0

Maybe we should add that in as another bonus,
\"Now available: dustbin lids at the Pirate Shipyard!\" :D

[Stevio]

Sounds good

perhaps the shady character finds Ship debris caught in his Reactor (after a scout across a sector) and asks for your help to identify it

stuff like that?

[el_president]

well i read the description and perhaps i am the only guy that s mention some thin...but...a terran superweapon...isnt it a little bit too strong ? i think it would be better to introduce a EMP gamma version which could only fit into some of the m0 s turrets

it should have a increasedrange (perhaps 10KM)
some really strong shield/lasergenerators ...
and a some aa weapons
i think that should a good m0 battleship
(the argon iss a m0 seams to be a carrier)
it would be realy interessting if there wer more differences between the m0s

[Mokonzi]

The Beta EMP is a killer out right, I doubt there'd be too much room for a Gamma version.

[el_president]

well ... it s a really good weapon...that s no question but...somethingspecial for the m0 wouldbe nice (its not the fastest one => it need a good range)

an other thought i had was what do you think of spread the weaponery into main battery and smaller ones...

perhaps the right and left turret could ony fit heavy weapons the rest ony lighter (anti fighter/m6)
so the player have to use his bopardside to kill an capital ship

and other raceships ( split mo) should have a big forward mainbattery and the rest only lighter ones...

the thought about a gamma EMP i think a such a high tech race likethe terransshouldhave some think really special...perhaps u could add this high range weapon also to the right and left turret of the tyr (and remove all light weapons)


its only a thought...

[Zurechial]

I really like the design of the ship in the OP :D
It's an M0 I could justify using, it just has that "huge" feeling to it and the linear/ordered turret-placement gives it a weapons-platform impression.

[Mox]

I dont think this model will make the final cut.
There are some things on it I like but most of it I don't.

Being a Genesis Clone for one I'm not going to be the one who puts Andras on the spot with a dig of this format.

Secondly it's too inconsistent to models currently ingame...it doesnt belong anywhere realy...and thus would have to be explained a 'lost or whatever' ship...and if that road is to be taken, I'm sure I can cook someting more suitable up rather then this piece.

Thanks for the comments!

Locked for now.