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Draxis
25-06-2007, 06:16 AM
After doing some thinking, I have come to a conclusion: we need a m6 that can hold it's own against hordes of fighters or one m6 (mostly of the m4 and m5 types) but is dead against any cap ships, IE a Flak Frigate

The Homeworld 2 Flak Frig looked like this:
http://images.wikia.com/homeworld/images/9/98/Marine_frigate.jpg

It owned fighters, and COULD attack corvettes but was dead against any other frigate, so what would you say to a Flak M8? Something similar in function to DeadlyDa's tigerfish maybe? heres a picture

http://www.flatrock.org.nz/wolf/images/X2_Pix/D_Cheyenne1.jpg

cheers!

Changed title because of topic subject naming rules - SSwamp_Trooper

Asmodean
25-06-2007, 09:47 AM
I like the idea, but the M8 don't fit the role, they are too slow, so M6 are the weapon of choice. The simplest way would be to allow all (or most) M6 to mount a few AFlaks, no more than two I think.

Proto
25-06-2007, 10:56 AM
Asmodean's right it shoud be a M6 but for balance its sould only have flaks ands some IREs perhaps 2 or 4 PACs but absolutly no HEPSs defenetly

Adlantis
25-06-2007, 01:58 PM
Doesn't the XTM M7 fit this role already?

and btw. the picture does not show a HW2 Flak Frigate.
It's similar but it's a Marine Frigate.

Proto
25-06-2007, 02:36 PM
Hey that's right just noticed here's the real thing:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb96/Proto_ze_Mak/th_ss00277.jpg (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb96/Proto_ze_Mak/ss00277.jpg)
And for comparason from Left to right: Higaran Flak Frigate, Higaran Ion Frigate and the Higaran Torpeado Frigate:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb96/Proto_ze_Mak/th_ss00267.jpg (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb96/Proto_ze_Mak/ss00267.jpg)
P.S. couldn't help myself :evil: -- Bentus --
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb96/Proto_ze_Mak/th_ss00329.jpg (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb96/Proto_ze_Mak/ss00329.jpg)

Adlantis
25-06-2007, 02:48 PM
hmmm...

Hiigaran Marine Frigate: Otas HCF
Hiigaran Ion Frigate: Boron Ion Frigate
Hiigaran Torpedo Frigate: Paranid Poseidon (with some imagination :wink: )

all that's left is the Flak Frigate
but to have one you've only to equip a Hawk fully with Flak.

Homeworld :smitten: :smitten:

Proto
25-06-2007, 03:48 PM
And we also have Sajuuk as [spoiler:8e5eaf9bb0]The Sohnen Incubus[/spoiler:8e5eaf9bb0] all that's left is the Vaygr and ther mothership and we can pull off XTM as a X3 Homeworld2 TC :evil: :lol:

Draxis
25-06-2007, 09:33 PM
whoops, i mixed up the picture, but whatever. But who wouldn't love to see a vaygr battleship main gun or missile battery?

Adlantis
25-06-2007, 09:46 PM
whoops, i mixed up the picture, but whatever. But who wouldn't love to see a vaygr battleship main gun or missile battery?

The Hiigaran BC is much better :)

Ontopic: A Flak Frigate would only have the role of an escort ship. Nothing more. It wouldn't be very good at attacking and it can't defend itself against an enemy Capital Ship.
If you use it corectly it "could" be useful.

Arparso
25-06-2007, 09:58 PM
I already use the OTAS Custodian as flak frigate and it usually works just well enough. It can mount flaks in every turret, but mostly alpha flaks only and there fit only 2 guns in each turret, which kinda weakens the overall performance. But the shields are quite strong and recharge insanely fast, so the Custodian seems to be the ideal choice to send just right into the fighter swarm and blast everything to pieces.

There is still some room for improvements, but the Custodian's performance is good enough for me.

PS: Don't know about your speed requirements. The Custodian goes at 120, which I find fast enough, if I want it to escort my "real" capital ships. Of course it can't really outrun any M5, M4 and even most M3, but most M6 or MM6 perform only slightly better or do even worse.

Draxis
26-06-2007, 12:54 AM
@arparso

The custodian you said? Hmm, that sounds promising. I think I'll load it out with flaks and tell you guys how it handles against different groups of enemies,

madcaddie
26-06-2007, 09:35 AM
A Flak Frigate would only have the role of an escort ship. Nothing more. It wouldn't be very good at attacking and it can't defend itself against an enemy Capital Ship.
If you use it corectly it "could" be useful.

Perfect for sector patrols against pirate M3/+s and Khaak clusters.

And no the current M7s are in no way implemented or in fact designed as anti-fighter vessels. Such a ship would be best as M6 sized (to avoid PPC fire) with no forward guns and only turrets, with enough speed to give it a chance of staying away from M7s and normal M6s.

Arparso
26-06-2007, 10:14 AM
And no the current M7s are in no way implemented or in fact designed as anti-fighter vessels. Such a ship would be best as M6 sized (to avoid PPC fire) with no forward guns and only turrets, with enough speed to give it a chance of staying away from M7s and normal M6s.
... as if the AI would be able to do just that. M6s fly straight into PPC fire like any other ship, too... and they usually don't care, if their target is a lot bigger than themselves.

xierxior
02-07-2007, 09:47 AM
the problem with your idea is that FLAKS are EXTREMELY powerful againts fighters of any size and a flak frigate would absolutely descimate any group of fighters.
two flak frigates and a M2 of any class in formation would be unstopable.

my cerbues has a couple flak turrets and I don't even need to launch my fighters, I just fly around abit and everything is dead after a few seconds.

flaks also insta pop any cap ship killer torpedo so nothing could hit it if you flew it wisely.

there are some overpowered ships in this game right now and adding more isnt a good idea.

I would actually make all ships play a more specific role so you cant just jump into a system and wtfpwn everything.

don't even get me started on the galleon either, for being a pirate ship it has the most advanced weapons I have ever seen.
I tried getting behind it with my cerb only to get broadsided by beam cannons once I got into range.

kha'ak weapons are bad enough but if the devs ever give players sohnen weapons I'm gonna flip.

I had a M2 destroyed by a tiny sohnen corvette with some rapid fire beam cannon.

xeon_1
02-07-2007, 01:04 PM
I had a M2 destroyed by a tiny sohnen corvette with some rapid fire beam cannon.

missles are your friend when dealing with the sohnen m6
it took about 30 thunderbolt 10 hornet and 20 tempest missles to destroy it but atleast the thing never had a change to fire its main weapons on me

Star_Raider15
02-07-2007, 01:13 PM
the 0.6 M7's had FAA in every turret, they were removed due to overpower
so far no one has managed to get his hands on the Krait, just u wait till the Krait starts to be a popular ship, u will see threads everywhere saying that the Krait is the most uber and overpowered of all XTM ships
i gave the krait as an example because it can mount AFAA, so it is quite close to the ship the OP talked about

madcaddie
03-07-2007, 11:21 AM
An anti-fighter vessel doesn't have to have FAAs, Twin or Quad PAC turrets would be sufficent.

xeon_1
03-07-2007, 12:04 PM
An anti-fighter vessel doesn't have to have FAAs, Twin or Quad PAC turrets would be sufficent.
pac's only hurt m5 and m4's
for M3 its nothing more then a tickle

Draxis
12-07-2007, 03:17 AM
well, i'm doing this and it works great. I have a pair of Custodians matched with a pair of Griffons and the Custodians are loaded with flak and shields

Otas Custodian, flak variation: Fast, Powerful, Sturdy and if upgraded with cycrow's adv jumpdrives, flexible.

Yamakaze
12-07-2007, 03:10 PM
Look at the ship stats XLS sheet and you'll realize the OTAS Custodian is in fact designed to fuction exactly as a anti-fighter flak frigate while its helping your battlegroup with its shield recharge ability.

Want other options ? Well you cant beat the Sohnen Seth for all-round asskickage. Fast, powerful and most importantly SMALL, not much bigger than your average M6! 4XAFLAK on both dorsal and ventral turret giving nearly 360 degree coverage plus massive laser generator to support them. Ask your HCF dealer about capping one today!


An anti-fighter vessel doesn't have to have FAAs, Twin or Quad PAC turrets would be sufficent.
Everybody seems to forget the option of PSG:s also. Spamming them will own fighters very nicely

DarkWrath
12-07-2007, 05:43 PM
And will own your pc too... Best ship for A-fighter operations is indeed the Custodian... and since it can drain shields too...

Draxis
15-07-2007, 04:28 AM
Drains shields? How do you do that? And also, PSGs are limited by the fact that they kill my fleet's fighters when they fire so flak and AHEPT's do the job well enough