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      Question Boron Heavy Hydra: Why so pricey?

      Hello. I have a quick question. Why is the Heavy Hydra so much more expensive then the other heavy m6's? what is so special about it that it costs over 8 million more?
      i don't have terran conflict yet, (getting it through steam) but i was browsing around on http://eng.x3tc.ru and according to that it costs nearly/over 25 million, as where the heavy centaur costs only nearly/over 14 million? Why the increase?


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      ... good question!

      I took a look on the ship stats and for me the Heavy Hydra seems to be nothing special. No special generators, cargospace, speed, weaponsloadout, rockets or anything else. Then i bought one to try it in combat and guess what... it is nothing special at all. The H.H. is the fastest M6 with 4 times 200 MJ shields. But the Terran Katana is only 2 m/s slower and beats the H.H. in almost every other discipline and it costs only 6.5 mio credits. (Except it can't carry long range weapons). So i really have no clue what the price of the H.H. is about. Sorry!



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      A squad of technically competent marines is so much cheaper.


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      Quote Originally Posted by MegaJohnny View Post
      A squad of technically competent marines is so much cheaper.
      Could you please explain?



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      I think he means, with a squad of those Marines you can cap yourself the Hydra instead of pay for it.

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      Maybe it is meant this way. On the theoretical side it looks good, but...

      ... to board a ship like the H.H. you need much more than a squad of technically trained marines. Under patch 1.4 it takes

      * a looooooot of time
      * ten small bottles of valerian,
      * two big punching balls,
      * a good shrink,
      * an M7M fregatte with boarding pods and enough missiles
      * and at least 5 highly trained marines (five stars in every discipline, it takes almost 6 in-game days to make them this strong)

      The costs of that are much more than 25 mio credits...
      ... and that still doesn't explain the high costs of this vessel.



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      Quote Originally Posted by Badman76 View Post
      Could you please explain?
      If you buy a squad of marines and get them trained a little, then go board a Heavy Hydra, it's a lot cheaper than buying one at the shipyard.

      Just buy 5 marines, train 2 of them into 3 star hacking, 2 others into 3 star mechanic and the other guy uh..... Well do what you like with the 5th guy. Extra hacker maybe.

      Then lump them in an M6 preferrably and go board your Heavy.

      Specifically, fly in, take the shields down below 10%, give your ship the piracy > board ship command on the Heavy, then when the marines are latched on keep the shields below 10% all the time until they're finished cutting the hull. Once that's done run away until either they all die or your hackers threaten to make the computer divide by 0 unless it switches the ship to your control.

      Make sure there are no defending marines on board the target, bioscanners are available at Jonferco HQ and some other places I can't remember.


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      This is going to be off topic but has to be said:

      @ MegaJonny

      This is an interessting answer. That is the way boarding ins meant to be. Nothing you wrote is wrong but as i read between the lines, you didn't ever tried this on a moving M6, don't you?

      The less your marines are trained the less hull/ equipment is left when they took over the ship. The chance of even just get on board depends on their abilities. You need marines with experience in combat (at least 4 stars!). You can't train this in facilities. Otherwise every try will fail.

      Entering an M6 is very difficult because of the speed of that vessels. The marine's advanced EVA has a maximum speed of 28 m/s. The H.H. is much faster than this - without M7M and boarding pods (don't know the right translation) you won't have a chance to get your marines on board the H.H.. I hope Egosoft people will fix the entering script in patch 2.0 but until now boarding any M6 without M7M/boarding pods is impossible. That's why it won't be any cheaper this way.

      And now please back to topic...

      B76

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      Actually I've boarded a Pirate Centaur and a Hyperion Vanguard using a P - the Hyperion was almost fully upgraded, moving at 162m/s. No strange IonD ship freezing exploits were implemented, all I used was the launch marines hotkey. Because that button should have been in the original game, and there was no reason for it not to be.

      The marines had no combat experience upon boarding the Centaur and 3 survived.

      I can't board anything bigger though... Those damn frigate-grade lasers on the Carracks always shred me before I can get the shields down.

      The starting team by the way was just 2 hackers, 2 mechanics and a engi, all 3 stars in their own respect and perhaps the odd rare fighting star I got free with the marine.

      Trying to get slightly back on topic, the Heavy Hydra isn't even the most expensive M6 - according to x3tc.ru the Hyperion Vanguard would cost 40mil at a shipyard if it's available. That's more than many frigates.

      Last edited by MegaJohnny; 22-02-2009 at 01:33 PM.

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      Ah yes, but e hyperion is semi-justified for its price. It has better shields than most m6's, it has 4 turrets, can dock two ships, and is considerably faster than the other heavy m6's.
      The heavy hyda, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have anything special going for it, save a tad extra speed.
      I actually bought one last night. The only thing it has going for it is it's handling, making it easy to control. I suspect most m6+ handle like that though, which is alot better than in those regular m6s.
      Regarding the whole piracy thing, i don't intend to ever capture any commonwealth or terran ship. (except the odin eventually)
      BTW: thanks for all the advice on capturing, that could come in handy against those pirates soon.


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