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      Default Artificial Intelligence - Is it alive?

      I have been playing X3 TC religiously for the past month. I am definitly addicted to the game, but things start to get mundane and repetetive.
      These are my gripes about X3 TC:

      For the first time, I decided to shoot up Heretic's end sector. I have destroyed nearly every station in the sector in my Katana. I get the message "Fighters on the way". There were a lot of Terran military ships in the sector, but they were oblivious to my presence and did not attack me. I flew to Mars sector and destoyed nearly every station in the sector. I was getting the same "fighters are on their way" message, but no one showed up to kill me.
      Does this sound realistic to you? I remember the days of the Elite. The original version on Sinclair Spectrum ZX. It had a 48K memory and a 3.5 Mhz processor. I remember that when I shot a docking station in Elite, little fighter ships came out of it and blew me out of the sky.

      I think that Egosoft concentrated heavily on the sheer numbers of different sectors, stations, and ships and other wares in the game. Instead, they should have concentrated on improved AI, race relations, and more variety in terms of discoverieng interesting artifacts or different alien forms. It seems to me as if every sector is almost the same, with the expeption of the different static backgrounds. I know exacltly what to expect. The only "surprises" that I get by flying around the universe are the same pirate ships, that are in the same formation and the same Xenon ships. The numbers and formation is almost identical again.

      I know there are different scripts outthere. However, most of them are broken or do have serious glitches.
      Moreover, most mods and scripts do have conflicts with each other. Even worse, a mod or a script that was working for X3 could have stopped working or started to behave abnormally when X3 TC was updated to 2.0.

      Like the mod "Conflicts". It was a great idea,but the mod is broken and was abandoned. Egosoft should have picked that abandoned mod up and turned ito an expansion pack. Instead we get version 2.1 ! More missions of the same - Escort this, pick up that, shoot up or buld over there" kind of missions -ZZZZZ.

      It is very sad that the Egosoft did not evolve and is not planning on improving the most important aspects of this game. In a single player experience, AI is the key factor of the fun element of the game. Most people will admit that it is more fun to play Call of Duty 4 on-line that it is against the AI soldiers. Having said that, exceptional artificial AI is even more important in a games like X3.

      I hope that Egosoft will fix this issue. But, I really doubt that they ever will. Graphics is what sells the game, not the AI

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      Lightbulb I got an idea.

      I only have Reunion, I believe I know what is wrong with the stations and the fighters.
      I've noticed if there are fighters docked at the station they will come out to attack you when you attack the station.
      If there are no fighters in the station then no one will come out.

      I am having a feeling they forgot to add the fighters to the stations for protection.

      If you know how to mod why not try to add fighters to the station with the station owning them. Then see what happens when you attack the station.
      If that doesn't work, then at least I tried.

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      @Thrustmasterd

      are they 'red' to you? i.e. your rep with them has dropped enough? if it was very high that could need some more mayhem...

      do you run any other mod/script/cheat that could cause odd behaviours?

      have you finished terran plot? (could be that the plotline make it so terrans cannot be enemy to you for not breaking the plot - only speculating here)

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      Thank you gentlemen for your responses. The only cheat I run is the Cheat Package. I use it to install jumpdrives and add energy cells. I would not be able to bear flying for hours and dock at Queens Harbour to get every new ship that I buy fitted. No, I have not finished the terran plot yet. You are right, it might be causing this behavior. However, my reputation dropped to "Rebel". Terran ships should have attacked me, as the voice said that "Fighters are on their way", but no one came. I also tried to destroy stations in Omicron Lyerae and dropped my relations with Argon to the worst possible one. The station was red, but the Argon ships were not. That is strange.


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      it's true that I very rarely saw fighters attacking me in reunion either, stations almost never seem to hold a compliment (except for pirates).

      A script to have each station maintain a set of fighters may be a solution if that is the cause, if not then maybe it's something deeper down. I know when stations start to lose ships they focus on getting new ships so they can stay in business. maybe they are bankrupt from trade ships?

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      I have a question. Is it worth doing the Hub plot? I heard that it is really long and boring. Can I get an HQ or build an HQ without doing the Hub plot?
      My other never ending questions are lol:
      Does sector takeover script (the ported version from Reunion) work with RFF and Patrol?

      Can I combine Patrols, RFF, and Sector takeover? Are those scripts stable in 2.1? Of the above mentioned scripts, what is the best combination (in terms of stability and fun factor ) to get the best artificial life experience?
      Thank you!


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      Quote Originally Posted by thrustmasterd View Post
      I also tried to destroy stations in Omicron Lyerae and dropped my relations with Argon to the worst possible one. The station was red, but the Argon ships were not. That is strange.
      individual stations can hate you :P as they are all controlled by a docking permission AI

      the race as a whole will hate you with 2 stations blown up or tons of military ships blown up


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      Thank you Catra. I really appreciate your response.


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      Quote Originally Posted by thrustmasterd View Post
      Thank you Catra. I really appreciate your response.
      you are most welcome


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